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IN THE COURT OF APPEAL (CIVIL DIVISION)
ON APPEAL FROM THE CENTRAL LONDON COUNTY COURT
(His Honour Judge Roger Cooke)
Strand London WC2 Tuesday 9th October, 2001 |
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B e f o r e :
LORD JUSTICE CHADWICK
SIR MURRAY STUART-SMITH
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MARK ROBERT LLOYD | ||
Claimant/Appellant | ||
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JOHN LEWIS PARTNERSHIP | ||
Defendant/Respondent |
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Smith Bernal Reporting Limited, 190 Fleet Street,
London EC4A 2AG
Tel: 020 7421 4040
Official Shorthand Writers to the Court)
MR E BISHOP (Instructed by Messrs Vizard Oldham, London WC1R 4JL) appeared on behalf of the Respondent
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"... it was not reasonably required to resolve the proceedings."
"There are at least three different versions as to how the snag might have happened and I emphasise the word "might". One is that the ties or the string on the parcel somehow got caught on the guide brackets of the ladder. Another is that because the underside of the bed is not all of it rigid that the packaging created some sort of pocket that caught on either the brackets or possibly the top of the ladder itself. Another is that the bag of tools (which goes with beds of this kind which have to be assembled and their feet put on so that there is a plastic bag stuck somewhere on to the package itself) fouled either the ladder or the windowsill. All were possibilities. Nobody knows which they were and of course nobody therefore knows what the answer to the problem would have been."
"`Q. The ladderman's job is guidance, making sure it does not go from side to side?
A. Yes, not carrying the weight.
Q. It could just have easily have happened with him?
A. It is a possibility.
Q. Unless we know it would be difficult to say whether the fourth man would have prevented it from happening?
A. He would then be [more] able to manoeuvre than I would, feel safer to release it.
Q. What would a person on the ladder after snagging be able to do?
A. Would be a bit more forceful than I would, ladder could go into a bounce.'
In other words, an footed ladder bounding obviously would be dangerous; a footed ladder you could survive."
"I felt that my only choice was to go up the ladder from underneath, which I had to do very cautiously because there was nobody steadying the ladder. Again, even if had elected to do it that way, if there had been somebody steadying the ladder at the bottom I would have tried to pull the thing outwards from the ladder in order to free it. That would have meant taking both hands off the ladder, catching hold of the bottom of the bed and then possibly jerking back a bit. I dare not do that with nobody footing the ladder because it might have dislodged the ladder and sent us all crashing to the ground.
34. The only thing I could think of to do was to climb the ladder, get my shoulders underneath the item and then to push upwards very gently. In that way I hoped to free it without in any way de-stabilising the ladder."
"Mr Bishop then goes on and says this. `If the court is able to make such a finding', [that was a criticism of the claimant's evidence] and I assume for present purposes that the court may, `then there is no evidence at all that given a ladder stabilised from below the ladder man would have approached the problem in a different way and thus avoided the accident.' As to that I refer back to the quotation from cross-examination I have already given. That I think is the high point of saying that there would be a different approach. It would be easier to manoeuvre because the ladder is being footed. One is able to be more forceful for the same reasons. It founded at least a possibility.
But then one comes to Mr Bishop's third approach - still no evidence that the ladder man's different approach would have produced a different result. To my mind that kills the possibility to which I have just referred because, although one might just be able to say that the ladder man would to that extent have adopted a different approach it does not follow on any evidence that I have that it would have achieved in the event a different result. There is simply no factual basis for the way in which the Claimant puts it. The cross-examination answers really show that that is so. There is nothing anywhere fundamentally because we do not know what caused the snag."