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COURT OF APPEAL (CIVIL DIVISION)
ON APPEAL FROM THE HIGH COURT
CHANCERY DIVISION – MR JUSTICE LIGHTMAN
Royal Courts of Justice Strand, London, WC2A 2LL | ||
B e f o r e :
LORD JUSTICE ROBERT WALKER
and
LORD JUSTICE JONATHAN PARKER
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Syed Badshah Nawab Husain and Iqbal Zafar Appellants - and - Bank of Credit & Commerce International SA Respondents
Smith Bernal Reporting Limited, 190 Fleet Street
London EC4A 2AG
Tel No: 020 7421 4040, Fax No: 020 7831 8838
Official Shorthand Writers to the Court)
Christopher Jeans QC and Annie Hockaday (instructed by Messrs Lovells) for the Respondents
Robin Allen QC (instructed by Beale & Co) for the other represented Claimants
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AS APPROVED BY THE COURT
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Lord Justice Pill:
The appeals
Malik and Mahmud v BCCI
“ The principled position is as follows. Provided that a relevant breach of contract can be established, and the requirements of causation, remoteness and mitigation can be satisfied, there is no good reason why in the field of employment law recovery of financial loss in respect of damage to reputation caused by breach of contract is necessarily excluded.”
“It is, therefore, improbable that many employees would be able to prove ‘Stigma compensation’. The limiting principles of causation, remoteness and mitigation present formidable practical obstacles to such claims succeeding. But difficulties of proof cannot alter the legal principles which permit, in appropriate cases, such claims for financial loss caused by breach of contract being put forward for consideration.”
“Finally, although the implied term that the business will not be conducted dishonestly is a term which avails all employees, proof of consequential handicap in the labour market may well be much more difficult for some classes of employees than others. An employer seeking to employ a messenger, for instance, might be wholly unconcerned by an applicant’s former employment in a dishonest business, whereas he might take a different view if he were seeking a senior executive.”
The business of BCCI
“44. It was agreed that the Bank was hopelessly insolvent from at least 1986, and the proper inference must be that it was insolvent (or at least of doubtful solvency) from the mid 1970s, for it is agreed that the wrongdoing during the period from the mid 1970s on was designed to conceal the true financial position of the Group and its insolvency or doubtful solvency.
45. The fraudulent activities were not isolated, but systematic over a very long period of years. They took on a life of their own. They formed, or related to, part of the Bank’s banking activities. The wrongdoing included payments of bribes and kickbacks (to employees of the Bank, officers of other banks and public officials), the preparation of false records (including the recording of sham and fictitious transactions) and the creation of fictitious (i.e. forged) documentation; the unlawful purchase of its own shares; money laundering (including the laundering of drug money); defalcations; and the preparation and filing of false annual accounts vastly overstating assets and understating liabilities. Even today the Liquidators cannot say what is the full extent of the frauds. The sums involved in the frauds were massive running into billions of dollars. Such was the Bank’s wrongdoing that, when the house of cards collapsed, the insolvency of the Bank ran into billions of pounds causing huge losses to customers. The fraudulent activities were recorded principally in the Cayman Islands and in other off-shore locations, but were orchestrated, and sometimes conducted, from London.
48. The wrongdoing and consequent collapse were likely to be (as they were) the greatest banking scandal ever and to cast a cloud (in the eyes of the public) on those employees of the Bank who were perceived to be involved in or party to the wrongdoing; … .”
The issues
The legal test
“The conclusion I draw from these passages is that McGhee v National Coal Board laid down no new principle of law whatever. On the contrary, it affirmed the principle that the onus of proving causation lies on the pursuer or plaintiff. Adopting a robust and pragmatic approach to the undisputed primary facts of the case, the majority concluded that it was a legitimate inference of fact that the defenders’ negligence had materially contributed to the pursuer’s injury. The decision, in my opinion, is of no greater significance than that and to attempt to extract from it some esoteric principle which in some way modified, as a matter of law, the nature of the burden of proof of causation which a plaintiff or pursuer must discharge once he has established a relevant breach of duty is a fruitless one.”
“In many cases the plaintiff’s loss depends on the hypothetical action of a third party, either in addition to action by the plaintiff, as in this case, or independently of it. In such a case, does the plaintiff have to prove on balance of probability, ... that the third party would have acted so as to confer the benefit or avoid the risk to the plaintiff, or can the plaintiff succeed provided he shows that he had a substantial chance rather than a speculative one, the evaluation of the substantial chance being a question of quantification of damages?
...
I have no doubt that ... the second alternative is correct.”
“Once the duty of care is held to exist and the defendants’ negligence is proved, the plaintiff only has to show that by reason of that negligence he has lost a reasonable chance of employment (which would have to be evaluated) and has thereby sustained loss: McGregor on Damages 14th ed (1980), pp 198-202, paras 276-278 and Chaplin v Hicks [1911] 2 KB 786.”
Stuart-Smith LJ in Allied Maples expressed agreement with that statement.
“In my judgment the issue as to the amount of the patentees’ loss in the present case was a question in the second class; it depended on the hypothetical actions of third parties, that is to say the buyers of the infringing machines (or spare parts, servicing and CAD systems). The judge was entitled to conclude that the patentees had lost a chance of making sales to those buyers – no doubt a chance of differing probabilities in each case. He was entitled to evaluate the chances as a whole, rather than separately, if he chose to do so. The contrary view, that if the judge found 25 chances of a sale, each of 49 per cent probability, he should award nothing is absurd.”
Staughton LJ must in my view have been referring to the third of Stuart-Smith LJ’s classes in Allied Maples, that dealing with the hypothetical action of a third party.
The facts and findings
25. Having set out the legal principles on which he proposed to rely, the judge first set out the factual background to the dispute. He then summarised and commented upon what he described as the expert evidence. That included three experts on the labour market, Mr Langman for the appellants and Professor Rajan and Mr Davies for the respondents. It included the evidence of Coutts, a specialist consultancy engaged by BCCI to assist employees and former employees to find other employment. Evidence was given by Mrs Docker, Ms Tsoflias, Mr Parker and Mr Charlesworth. Evidence was also given by witnesses from prospective employers and recruitment agencies. Many former BCCI employees did obtain other work. There was evidence that, of those registered with Coutts, almost half had found employment by Spring 1992, well over half if the self-employed and those in education and training were included.
“I would summarise the evidence of the three experts as to the effect that in the difficult labour market to which the Employees were exposed, there were a multitude of factors affecting their prospects. Stigma was a potential handicap if they chanced to apply for a job to a prospective employer who took the view that their previous employment by the Bank placed a cloud over the former employees of the Bank which could not be dispelled by the Liquidator’s references, but such an attitude on the part of prospective employers is not to be assumed.”
“Coutts sent mailshots to some 1,300 prospective employers about job vacancies specifically for former employees of the Bank. One of her jobs was to contact employers to whom mailshots were sent to follow up the mailshots. She never received any indication whatsoever from these employers that they regarded former employees of the Bank in a less favourable light than any other potential employees as a result of the circumstances surrounding the Bank’s collapse, and in her frequent discussions with her colleagues they never mentioned any such indication. If there had been any such indication, there would have been a huge problem apparent to everyone;”
Mr Charlesworth did accept that BCCI employees were marginally disadvantaged.
“I can summarise the Coutts evidence by saying that the prospects of obtaining fresh employment very much depended on the attitude of the individual client; past employment by the Bank though a cause of anxiety on the part of clients and a possible ground for a prospective employer preferring another candidate with equal skills, did not deter prospective employers approaching Coutts to fill their vacancies and was not seen or experienced by Coutts to be a problem or at any rate a substantial problem. A prejudice against former employees on the ground of stigma was very much the exception to the general rule. There were other more pressing problems for the clients e.g. problems with English, age, market conditions and unrealistic expectations and demands.”
“In short, whilst stigma is capable of attaching to a former employee of the Bank in the eyes of particular prospective employers and (to a greater or less extent) handicapping that former employee vis-à-vis that prospective employer, that can only be tested on a case by case examination of each prospective employer. Stigma (like a multitude of other factors) may come into play to the prejudice of a particular job applicant depending on the identity of the prospective employer: there can be no presumption that it has come into play or will come into play on any particular application.”
“The prospective employers may be assumed to have known that the candidate was previously employed by the Bank and have had some recollection of the collapse of the Bank and that there had been fraud at the Bank. But beyond this it is not possible to make any assumption as to the extent of the impact of the media publicity on them or whether this led to their having any preconception as to the integrity of employees of the Bank generally. It would not be fair for a prospective employer to adopt the attitude that previous employment by the Bank placed a candidate under a cloud; something more must be necessary to implicate the candidate. It is not possible to assume that any particular prospective employer took the (unfair) view that all former employees of the Bank were ‘under a cloud’. Some prospective employers may have held this view and for them that stigma may have been a consideration in their thinking when the Employees' job applications were before them, but this would have been exceptional. In every particular case that attitude of the particular employer has to be proved: it cannot be presumed. It is merely one of the possible reasons for an adverse decision. The onus is upon the Employees to prove that it was in fact a reason for an adverse decision in his case. It is important to bear in mind that there are not (as repeatedly maintained on behalf of the Employees) only two alternative explanations for the Employees’ unemployment, namely their unemployability and stigma. I have already indicated some of the multitude of other alternative explanations.”
1. “I should first say a few words on my impression of the witness. … But though he frequently reminded me of his duty as a Muslim to speak the truth, I regret to say that his evidence revealed him to be thoroughly dishonest, untruthful and unreliable. In his evidence (as in his applications for employment), he said whatever he thought best served his purpose. He lied (for example) about his work experience, his position at the Bank, his performance and disciplinary record, his involvement in his charity, the time devoted to his book, his job search and his written applications to POCL. … By reason of the frequency of contradictory statements by him on so many topics, it is often difficult to decide which is true and which is false. His spoken English was not fluent. His difficulties with the English language are apparent on his application forms. …”
“Mr Husain has not discharged the burden of proof that stigma was a cause of the failure of any job application or the loss of a chance on such an application, or that there is any real possibility that it will be such a cause in the future. I am not satisfied that stigma played any part in Mr Husain’s failure to obtain employment. This was at least part attributable to his limited efforts to find a job (on several occasions interrupted by lengthy trips abroad, trips to which no reference was made in his witness statement); in the case of the applications which he did make, he had the handicaps of poor English, the poor quality of his completed application forms, the contraction in the payroll industry and the fact that he had a limited amount to offer prospective employers. Mr Langman himself commented on his weak qualifications and the problem he had with his written English. Age must have increasingly become a handicap. The falsehoods in his applications might well have been exposed at interviews with draconian consequences. By October 1996 he was almost 50 years’ old and already long term unemployed, and accordingly any prospect of employment thereafter was extremely limited. Any of these, as well as questions of personality, ethnicity and the quality of the competition may have decided the outcome of his applications. Questions of mitigation accordingly do not arise, but if they did I would have had difficulty holding that he made reasonable effort to mitigate.”
i) “Neither his spoken nor written English is fluent”
ii) “He has a very inflated opinion of himself and his abilities and is apt to adopt a very critical indeed jaundiced view of fellow employees and he cannot and will not keep such views to himself. He is arrogant and quite unable in a dispute to see or understand the other party’s point of view. …”
iii) “He is a totally unreliable witness, unwilling or unable to distinguish falsehood from the truth and who lies whenever it suits his purpose.” The judge referred to an occasion when the appellant “quite deliberately set out to mislead the Court”.
“I have given the most anxious consideration to the questions whether Mr Zafar has satisfied me on the balance of probabilities that stigma was an effective cause (whether sole of contributing) of (a) any of the rejections I have considered or (b) the loss of a chance of getting such jobs. I have concluded that the answer is firmly in the negative. His case has been handicapped by the fact that he has called none of those who interviewed and rejected him, compounded by the facts where such witnesses have been called by the Bank they have refuted his evidence and that his own account of interviews lack evidential weight because he is not a credible witness. There were a multitude of potential candidates as causes: though stigma could have played a part, the evidence does not satisfy me that stigma did play a part or was a cause. Factors to which the various employers (or their agents) in rejecting Mr Zafar may have given varying weight include:
(1) Mr Zafar had an exaggerated view of the ‘catch’ that he was to any prospective employer.
(2) his banking skills, and experience were generalist and his knowledge and experience in Islamic banking was limited;
(3) the recession and the diminution in the banking market in the early 1990’s (with the shrinking opportunities for generalists) made his job search more onerous, a fact reflected in his inability to find a job before the joined AIBL;
(4) his written English was poor (reflected in his poorly presented applications) and his spoken English was far from fluent, a potential handicap in the senior positions to which he aspired;
(5) his personality was not impressive or immediately attractive and (under pressure) becomes highly unattractive. He is prone to lecture and bully. He is not a person who would create a favourable impression at an interview: he is neither impressive nor straightforward. The character revealed in the course of his cross-examination was of a man who cannot and will not give a direct (let alone truthful) answer to questions and that may be expected to come over to an experienced interviewer;
(6) he was not a good ‘team member’. This would have come across (as Mr Davies said in evidence) surprisingly quickly at an interview;
(7) he does not come over as straightforward. His unwillingness and inability to distinguish truth from falsehood were at risk of revealing itself (e.g. as to his ‘clients’, his CV, his knowledge of Islamic Banking). Prevarication is second nature to him;
(8) his age (45 in October 1990) increasingly made him too senior for posts which were a match for his talents. Age was a serious factor from 1995;
(9) his ethnic group;
(10) the absence of readily available references; and
(11) added to the above with the passage of time after September 1991 was the length of his unemployment and his dependence on benefits.”
“269. The Employees have established that the Bank was in breach of the T&C Term of their contracts of employment, but they have not established that this breach caused financial loss to any of them. In Malik Lord Steyn gave the clearest warning that because of difficulties of proof it was improbable that many employees would be able to prove their entitlement to compensation. This trial underlines that warning and the critical importance in stigma cases such as this of credible evidence by the prospective employer or his agent of the impact of stigma on his decision to reject the job application in question.
270. The Employees’ cases consisted of three elements
(a) they relied on their long-term failure to obtain employment and they invited the Court to infer that stigma was the likely cause. But stigma was not a likely cause and there were alternative more impelling causes. There is no room for any presumption that stigma played a part in the adverse decisions made on their job applications. (Subject to one proviso) only a small minority of prospective employers are likely to have adopted the view that any stigma attached to job applicants who were former employees of the Bank and that this placed them under a cloud. The proviso is that there was not present any substantial reason to believe that the individual job applicant was personally implicated in the wrongdoing. No such reason could have existed in respect of the general body of former employees of the Bank. Accordingly there can be no presumption that any particular prospective employer who was approached viewed former employees of the Bank as under a cloud, and the onus was on the Employees to establish that the prospective employers to whom they made job applications held this view and rejected their applications on this ground (whether on this ground alone or on this and other grounds). The Employees were unable to discharge this onus.
(b) The Employees gave evidence that on occasion the prospective employers expressly or impliedly stated that they were rejecting their job applications on grounds of stigma. But if the Court is to accept such evidence the witness must be credible and the evidence must be clearly and reliably recollected; and even if the evidence is accepted, it is not necessarily enough to entitle the Employees to succeed, for the reasons given to an applicant by a prospective employer may be of limited guidance as to his true reasons. The evidence adduced by the Employees generally was not credible and did not establish that stigma had the effect claimed.
(c) The Employees have also adduced evidence from some three prospective employers that stigma prompted their decisions to refuse the Employees’ job applications, but their evidence was plainly concocted.
271. The evidential hurdles in the way of success in claims for stigma damages are substantial and any litigation is likely to prove protracted and expensive. Accordingly the greatest caution is called for before any such proceedings are instituted and the continuing viability of such proceedings must be the subject of continuing review. The prospects may be expected rarely to attain the required level to justify proceedings in the absence of reliable and tested evidence of the prospective employer or his agent. In any exceptional case when consideration is given to bringing proceedings without calling the prospective employer or his agent, at the very least the prospective employer and his agent should be approached before any proceedings are commenced to discover their account of events and see what evidence they can and will give; and the prospects of success must be assessed in the light of the response or absence of response by them. This precaution does not appear to have been taken in this case.”
Conclusions on general issue
Mr Zafar’s dismissal by AIBL
“Generally I am satisfied that Mr Zafar’s employment by AIBL was always under threat because of the opposition of the Resident Directors to his appointment and was doomed by reason of his personal incompatibility with them and finally brought to an end by reason of his refusal to sign a contract to accept the position of Assistant General Manager. His previous employment by the Bank was a matter ventilated about the time of his dismissal, but this was not a ground for his dismissal. It was referred to by Lord Denman and by Dr Kamel as a matter which might be taken into account, but I do not think that it was or in any way affected the outcome. The Resident Directors and Shareholders could reach no agreement with Mr Zafar as to the post Mr Zafar should occupy. Despite his protestations to Dr Kamel to the contrary, Mr Zafar insisted on the elevated status of Assistant Managing Director: and that was not acceptable to the Resident Directors or the Shareholders. The Resident Directors had had enough of him for the other reasons I have mentioned, and the Shareholders (as they decided to go along with the Resident Directors on the 19th June 1991 on the question of Mr Zafar’s job title) decided to go along with those directors on his dismissal. When it came to the crunch, those directors had the Shareholders’ trust more than Mr Zafar did, and the Shareholders did not want a war with the Resident Directors over Mr Zafar. Some insight into the Shareholders’ attitude to his former employment by the Bank may be found in Mr Zafar’s evidence to the effect that (1) though the lights were flashing regarding the Bank before his appointment, they were no barrier to his original appointment; and (2) after the collapse of the Bank the Shareholders told him they still wanted to appoint him managing director. The Resident Directors had long intended to rid AIBL of him for other reasons. I do not think that stigma played any part in his dismissal or was an effective or contributing cause of it or of the loss of a chance of his remaining with AIBL. I should add that, even if I had held that stigma was a cause, I would have held that it was only a minor contributory cause, that it did not affect the outcome and that if it did have any impact that impact was limited to marginally accelerating the inevitable; and that, since in any event Mr Zafar’s employment would have been terminated for the other reasons I have given in a matter of weeks, if not days, and he received substantial compensation for this termination from AIBL no substantial award of damages was appropriate.”
Exclusion of Anecdotal Evidence
“I refused the applications for two reasons. The first was because such evidence does not satisfy the test of admissible similar fact evidence: it was not logically probative of the Employees’ case: the fact (if established) that another person was refused work by one prospective employer because of stigma was no evidence that the Employees were likewise refused work on this ground by prospective employers whom they approached. The second was that, even if such evidence could have some probative value, in my discretion it would be unjust to allow such evidence, for it would be the occasion for a disproportionate increase in the length of trial and costs. The evidence of witnesses alleging that they have been refused employment on grounds of stigma (like the evidence of the Employees in this case) requires the most careful examination, and can only properly be evaluated in the light of discovery and investigation of the incidents in question (and this includes contact with, and often evidence by, the prospective employer in question). To undertake this exercise in respect of each anecdotal incident would heap trial upon trial and would involve a disproportionate expenditure of time and cost for (at best) a marginal return.”
The judge also expressed his conclusion that, though Mr Langman had permission to consider the 15 witness statements, Mr Langman had not in the event based his opinions in evidence upon the contents of those statements.
Mr Allen QC for other claimants
Result
Lord Justice Robert Walker:
“In my judgment, what the court has to do (assuming that the plaintiff has established negligence) in such a case as the present, is to determine what the plaintiff has by that negligence lost. The question is, has the plaintiff lost some right of value, some chose in action of reality and substance? In such a case, it may be that its value is not easy to determine, but it is the duty of the court to determine that value as best it can.”
“All cases dealing with loss of business and professional profits depend upon the chance and contingency that other parties will act so as to bring profits in to the plaintiff; customers must come to the shop, audiences to the theatre, fish to the hook.”
The author then proceeds to consider the case where there is “one particular chance that the plaintiff loses, one particular contingency upon which a gain to him has depended”.
“ … the plaintiff must prove as a matter of causation that he has a real or substantial chance as opposed to a speculative one. If he succeeds in doing so, the evaluation of the chance is part of the assessment of the quantum of damage, the range lying between something that just qualifies as real or substantial on the one hand and near certainty on the other.”
The order for a split trial of the issues of liability and quantum led to some confusion in Allied Maples (see Hobhouse LJ at 1621 G-H).
(1) In the typical case of personal injury through a positive act of negligence, causation must be decided on the balance of probability. But so far as quantum depends on what will actually happen in the future (such as whether the claimant will develop arthritis as a result of his injury) the court makes an assessment, often in percentage terms.
(2) Where the defendant’s breach of duty is an omission (such as a failure to give correct legal advice, or to provide proper safety equipment) the court has to decide what the claimant would have done had the duty been performed. Would the claimant have followed correct advice, or used the proper equipment? These are hypothetical questions, but they are decided on the balance of probability as to what the claimant himself would have done.
(3) Where proof of loss depends on the hypothetical action of a third party, the claimant can succeed if he shows that there was a real or substantial chance of that third-party action taking place, the evaluation of the chance being a question of quantification of damage.
“The question is what would have happened if an event which by definition did not occur had occurred.”
“ … the lost chance of a better medical result which might have been achieved by prompt diagnosis and correct treatment”,
Lord Mackay (at p.786) considered that it would be unwise to lay down a rule that a claimant could never succeed by proving loss of a chance in a medical negligence case.
“Thus a plaintiff can discharge the burden of proof on causation by satisfying the court either that the relevant person would in fact have taken the requisite action (although she would not have been at fault if she had not) or that the proper discharge of the relevant person’s duty towards the plaintiff required that she take that action. The former alternative calls for no explanation since it is simply the factual proof of the causative effect of the original fault. The latter is slightly more sophisticated: it involves the factual situation that the original fault did not itself cause the injury but that this was because there would have been some further fault on the part of the defendants; the plaintiff proves his case by proving that his injuries would have been avoided if proper care had continued to be taken.”
“The wrongdoing may be such that, whilst the relevant decision-making process was completed and a decision made on the merits, by reason of the wrongdoing the decision-maker may have taken into account matters which (but for the wrongdoing) he would not have done. In that case it is possible (albeit it may be difficult) to investigate as a matter of historical fact what, if any, part the matters in question played in the decision-making. Where this is the situation the claimant must prove that the matters in question were a cause of the absence of a decision in his favour.”
“ … his former superior has further stated that he is a man of little or no integrity and could not be regarded as honest.”
The ‘former superior’ was the newly-appointed chief executive who had sacked him. The reference was written by an assistant chief compliance officer who was not actuated by malice. Scottish Amicable refused Mr Spring’s application and so did the other two companies, which had received similar references.
“Once the duty of care is held to exist and the defendants’ negligence is proved, the plaintiff only has to show that by reason of that negligence he has lost a reasonable chance of employment (which would have to be evaluated) and has thereby sustained loss: McGregor on Damages 14th ed (1980) pp.198-202, paras 276-278 and Chaplin v Hicks [1911] 2 KB 786. He does not have to prove that, but for the negligent reference, Scottish Amicable would have employed him.”
Lord Lowry then set out quite a long passage from the judgment of the trial judge discussing submissions that Mr Spring would not have been appointed even if he had received a careful and accurate reference. This passage ended:
“As I observed in argument, the only person capable of giving an authoritative answer to the hypothetical question posed would have been somebody in [the Scottish Amicable compliance officer’s] position who had sat in this courtroom throughout the many days of evidence and heard all the facts about the plaintiff and his career at Corinium. As it is, having done so myself, I can only say that, in my judgment, on balance, had the plaintiff received the careful and accurate reference he was entitled to, he would probably have obtained employment with one of these companies.”
Lord Lowry indicated that the trial judge’s finding of fact might be irreversible, but that the House of Lords had not heard argument on the point. He did not comment on the trial judge’s apparent reliance on a balance of probability test. Allied Maples had not then reached this court.
“In my judgment the issue as to the amount of the patentees’ loss in the present case was a question in the second class [Stuart-Smith LJ’s third category]; it depended on the hypothetical actions of third parties, that is to say the buyers of the infringing machines (or spare parts, servicing and CAD systems). The judge was entitled to conclude that the patentees had lost a chance of making sales to those buyers – no doubt a chance of differing probability in each case. He was entitled to evaluate the chances as a whole, rather than separately, if he chose to do so. The contrary view, that if the judge found 25 chances of a sale, each of 49 per cent probability, he should award nothing is absurd.”
Jonathan Parker LJ: