A3/2002/0477 
Neutral Citation Number: [2003] EWCA Civ 1185
IN THE SUPREME COURT OF JUDICATURE 
IN THE COURT OF APPEAL (CIVIL DIVISION) 
ON APPEAL FROM THE CHANCERY DIVISION 
LIVERPOOL DISTRICT REGISTRY 
(His Honour Judge Maddocks - sitting as a Deputy High Court Judge)
Royal Courts of Justice 
Strand 
London, WC2 

Friday, 25th July 2003
 B E F O R E:
 
LORD JUSTICE PETER GIBSON 
LORD JUSTICE MANCE 
LORD JUSTICE LONGMORE 
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JOSEPHINE BRENNAN
Claimant 
and
 
ALLAN KETTELL 
ANTHONY KETTELL
(trading together as Diamond Fires and Fabrications)
1st and 2nd Defendants and 
Part 20 Claimants/Appellants 
and 

H M CROWN ESTATE COMMISSIONERS 
3rd Defendant
and

ROYAL BANK OF SCOTLAND PLC
Part 20 Defendant/Respondent 
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MR N F RIDDLE (instructed by Bullivant Jones, Liverpool L2 4UR) appeared on behalf of the Appellants
MS SANDRA BRISTOLL (instructed by DLA, Manchester M2 3DL) appeared on behalf of the Respondent
Friday, 25th July 2003
C O S T S   

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J U D G M E N T 

1.	LORD JUSTICE PETER GIBSON:  We are asked to make orders for costs.  So far as the costs of the Part 20 claim appeal and of that part of the hearings below which led to the Part 20 claim, there is no dispute but that the successful Part 20 claimants should be awarded their costs to be paid by the unsuccessful Bank.  
2.	There is also a claim that we should order the Bank to pay the Kettells' costs of and incidental to the claim.  It has been pointed out to that this may depend on a number of matters, such as whether it was reasonable for the Kettells to defend the proceedings brought by Mrs Brennan.  We think that the appropriate order would be to remit that matter together with the question of assessment of costs back to His Honour Judge Maddocks.  He is in the best position to determine whether or not he himself should deal with that application in the light of our judgment and whether he should deal with it as a matter of discretion or whether he should deal with it as part of the assessment of damages.  
3.	We are also asked by the successful Part 20 claimants to make a summary assessment of the costs of the appeal.  That is opposed by the Bank, which points out that there will have to be a detailed assessment of the other costs incurred in these proceedings.  We think it appropriate to leave it to detailed assessment, but in so doing we would wish to draw the attention of the costs judge to our judgment and to our comments about the simplicity of the point in issue and the over-elaboration that has taken place on both sides in contesting that point.