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IN THE COURT OF APPEAL (CIVIL DIVISION)
ON APPEAL FROM THE HIGH COURT
NEWCASTLE-UPON-TYNE COUNTY COURT
(HIS HONOUR JUDGE WOOD)
Strand London, WC2 |
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B e f o r e :
LADY JUSTICE HALE
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Y & K (CHILDREN) |
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MISS DODSON QC (instructed by David Gray of Newcastle-upon-Tyne, NE1 5XU) appeared on behalf of the First Respondent.
The Second Respondent appeared in person.
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"Well it takes matters further, first of all because it medically... I think it is a good explanation of what we are seeing. It was not something which had occurred to me as a way of looking at it, but now it clarifies for me and it suggests that there have been at least two separate episodes of trauma, which cause the depression on each side but at separate times, so we would be looking at one prior to 2000 and then one some time between 2000 and 2002."
Equally, in relation to the second examination, she said:
"... there is a clear difference between the two examinations and the two photographs and I think that the weight of explanation is that there has been further trauma to the hymen."
Dr Sunderland had this advice for the judge:
"... I am looking at trauma, and to give you an indication, it is something the size of an adult finger, I could not tell you it was a finger or a stick, or a... No, I cannot think of anything other than trauma to cause those appearances."
Then towards the end of his evidence he said:
"So we have got normal appearance, the penny dropped when you think you have got a sleeve hymen, now you can understand why it looks normal. It was abnormal and at the end of my evidence I am going to repeatedly stress to you, these photographs do not show a normal hymen. These two sets of photographs are not normal. Whatever explanations we dig around and look about, and I try to be very fair, wracking back through my brain, thinking of all the clinical incidents, anything I have read that would explain this. I come back to you the common thread that runs through this is that this has been trauma but that is a speculation. The evidence is that no time have you got a photograph of a normal hymen."
"I think probably we ought to get on with Dr Evans' evidence but I think in so far as it may help you, Mr Stonor, it seems to me that you have a very uphill task in this case.
MR STONOR: Your Honour, so be it.
JUDGE WOOD: So if you want to get on with your uphill task well you had better do so."
"Well I am not suggesting you should not note it, of course you should note it, but whether a child is completely silent throughout an examination or weeping throughout an examination does not really tell you anything about child abuse, does it?"
Dr Drummond:
"Well I think experienced paediatricians would disagree and would say that it did. Paediatricians who have worked a lot in child protection issues. I think the presentation of a child does tell you quite a lot."
The judge:
"Well I am sorry to hear you say that. Anyway, those are the only matters I wanted to ask about."
"The medical evidence in this case is highly unusual. Drs San Lazaro, Drummond Rollison were all called by the local authority Applicant. Dr Evans was, as I understand it, instructed by the Respondents but in the end called by the Local Authority. Dr Sunderland was instructed, again as I understand it, by the Guardian but also called by the local authority. In effect, there was no Defence medical evidence."
"It is undoubtedly a rare event for a Court to fail to accept the positive findings of highly experienced experts such as them, and I am certainly mindful of the observations, again in the case of Re B in 2002. However, the facts of this case are wholly different from Re B because in that case there was no question of anybody challenging, as it were, the raw materials. B's medical condition and his symptoms were clear and agreed by all the medical experts. All that was in dispute was the question of interpretation."
"As for the final alleged disclosures by Jean Thackray or Maureen Rowntree, I found those frankly to be bordering upon the absurd."
He then explained what he meant by reference only to the evidence of Maureen Rowntree. So it is quite impossible to see any valid ground upon which the judge could have characterised Mrs Thackray's evidence as bordering on the absurd. His conclusion in this area seems to me to be open to obvious criticism. He said:
"Looking at these alleged disclosures as a whole, I have to remember that they emanate entirely from a two or three year old child, apparently one with poor verbal skills according to Dr San Lazaro. There are no memorandum interviews of the child. There are no videos, and two different Police Forces have declined to take any further action, even with the benefit of the medical evidence as well. These are serious allegations; they may well have resulted in a custodial sentence, and therefore... the Applicants must produce strong and cogent evidence. Cogent means compelling or convincing. I have no hesitation in concluding that I do not find these alleged disclosures either compelling or convincing. They are, in my judgment, manifestly unreliable."
"... T suffered a penetrative injury to her hymen which was evident when T was examined on 15th December 2000. The extent of that penetrative injury is unclear from the medical evidence currently available."
In relation to the later examination, the position statement having been filed before the meeting of the two experts, the mother's position was reserved first respondent's position.
"I also would like to say that my conclusions in this case are also supported by the fact that in spite of all that has occurred between this mother and father they are still together, still supporting each other and still wish to bring up these two children in the future. They are supported in that at least by the father's parents, who have stood by them both resolutely throughout."
That, I am afraid, might be said in many of the cases involving possible abuse of children that come for investigation.
"All witnesses competent to give evidence are in general compellable to do so. Refusal to be sworn when compellable, or, after being sworn refusal to answer an admissible question, is a contempt of court."
There are some exceptions, but none of those listed in Phipson apply, although there remains a residual discretion in the court to refuse to compel a compellable witness if to do so would be a fishing exercise, speculation or oppression. This will rarely be the case in care proceedings where the parents' explanations of what has happened to their child are usually an important factor in understanding the case.
"In any proceedings in which a court is hearing an application for an order under Part IV or V, no person shall be excused from—
(a) giving evidence on any matter; or
(b) answering any question put to him in the course of his giving evidence,
on the ground that doing so might incriminate him or his spouse of an offence."
"In addition it seems likely that a judge hearing civil proceedings can compel a person to explain the circumstances in which a child has been injured."
Then, after a reference to Re B in paragraph 3.20, they go on in paragraph 3.21 to quote the contrary decision of Miss Elizabeth Lawson QC in Re M (Disclosure: Police Investigation) [2002] 1 FCR 655, in which she had in fact compelled a mother to give evidence in the case.