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CRIMINAL DIVISION
The Strand London WC2A 2LL |
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B e f o r e :
MR JUSTICE DAVIS
and
MR JUSTICE DAVID CLARKE
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ATTORNEY GENERAL'S REFERENCE No. 89 & 90 of 2007 | ||
UNDER SECTION 36 OF | ||
THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE ACT 1988 | ||
R E G I N A | ||
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ALFIE HOGG | ||
NEIL ROLLS | ||
and | ||
R E G I N A | ||
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JOSEPH ANTHONY ROACH |
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2007/04150/A8
2007/04151/A8
Miss B Cheema appeared on behalf of the Attorney General
Mr H O'Donoghue appeared on behalf of
the Offender Alfie Hogg
Mr S Ward appeared on behalf of the Offender Neil Rolls
2007/04219/A8
Mr Y Chandarana appeared on behalf of the Applicant
Mr Q Hawkins appeared on behalf of the Crown
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Crown Copyright ©
Thursday 17 January 2008
LORD JUSTICE THOMAS:
Introduction
The offences
the count of conspiracy to which we have referred. Hogg and another were in addition charged with the offences under the Firearms Act 1968. Rolls and another were also charged with offences under the same Act. The other defendants were charged with substantive drug offences.
The preparation of the reference
The Judge's sentencing remarks
".... but this was large-scale commercial criminal activity.It makes common sense to draw the inference that Hogg and Rolls were further up the hierarchy than Roach and Carolan. For the reasons set out in the prosecution document Response to Basis of Plea, I do not sentence Hogg and Rolls on their basis of plea, although there is nothing to gainsay paragraph 3 of Hogg's basis and paragraph 4 of Rolls' basis.
The prosecution allege that 50 kilograms of cocaine was involved on the basis of the bags and the quantity of cutting materials found in the factory and elsewhere. Suffice it to say the quantity of cocaine was massive. Hogg and Rolls ran the factory where the two cocaine presses were operated and where the cocaine was cut and packaged."
The judge went on to pass the sentences to which we have referred on Hogg and Rolls. In respect of Roach he said:
".... your basis of plea is accepted save with this exception: 'I only assisted in the preparation on two occasions'. I put it in this way on the evidence: that you assisted on at least two occasions. You have made good progress in prison, but as far as this matter is concerned you were a knowing and willing member of the team. You will go to prison for eight years."
The judge then dealt with the position of Hogg and Rolls in respect of the firearms offences. He said:
".... you will go to prison for five years, all concurrent, and concurrent to the other sentence that I passed on the conspiracy. Normally firearms offences attract consecutive sentences, but each of these offences attracts a minimum sentence of five years and if these sentences were consecutive the overall sentence would be excessive. I have noted that there is no evidence or suggestion that these weapons were used or taken from the places where they were found."
The basic submissions of the Attorney General
The basic facts
(i) The levels of activity and responsibility of Rolls and Hogg. We consider that the position is straightforward. The sentencing judge made it clear that he rejected the basis of plea put forward. He proceeded upon the Crown's response, namely:"The prosecution maintain that both Hogg and Rolls are at the head of the organisation of this conspiracy. Both were connected with and seen to go to the garage at Lordship Lane. This is where the cutting process of the drugs occurred on a large scale."It may be that there was some other person somewhere higher than the offenders who supplied them with imported drugs, but it is self-evident that Hogg and Rolls must have been close to the source of supply. They ran (as the judge found) a factory which contained sophisticated equipment for the production of large quantities of cocaine for distribution; they were the organisers of this. There can be no doubt as to the basis upon which the offenders were sentenced by the judge and fall to be considered by this court. They were involved at a high level of organisation and fall to be dealt with accordingly.
(ii) The quantities of drugs. We can see no basis for challenging the approach of the judge to the analysis of the quantities carried out by the Crown for the reasons to which we have already referred.
(iii) The possession of the firearms. There is no issue as regards the position of Hogg which we have set out; he was found with a semi-automatic pistol loaded with live ammunition. However, in relation to Rolls the position must be examined further.
The approach to Rolls' basis of plea : "gainsay"
"....4. The gun, silencer and ammunition did not belong to Rolls. They had been supplied to him the night before the police found them. He was storing them.
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The Crown responded in a Response to Basis of Plea as follows:
"The prosecution cannot say when Rolls received the gun and silencer. However, if he had been given the items the night before it is a curious aspect of the case that his DNA was found on the gun and his fingerprint on the silencer, indicating that he had handled both."
".... one can speculate about it but I do not think it can really be gainsaid, can it?COUNSEL FOR THE CROWN: We do not know. We do not know when the gun was supplied to him."
The matter was left there.
"The third, and most difficult, situation arises when the Crown may lack the evidence positively to dispute the defendant's account. In many cases an issue raised by the defence is outside the knowledge of the prosecution. The prosecution's position may well be that they had no evidence to contradict the defence assertions. That does not mean that the truth of matters outside their own knowledge should be agreed. In these circumstances, particularly if the facts relied on by the defendant arise from his personal knowledge and depend on his own account of the facts, the Crown should not normally agree the defendant's account unless it is supported by other material. There is, therefore, an important distinction between assertions about the facts which the Crown is prepared to agree, and its possible agreement to facts about which, in truth, the prosecution is ignorant. Neither the prosecution nor the judge is bound to agree facts merely because, in the word currently in vogue, the prosecution cannot 'gainsay' the defendant's account. Again, the court should be notified at the outset in writing of the points in issue and the Crown's responses. We need not address those cases where the Crown occupies a position that straddle two, or even all three, of these alternatives."
The aggravating and mitigating factors
"45. .... As it seems to us, generally speaking, those responsible for organising the importation of Class A drugs into this country will attract somewhat higher sentences than those responsible, as Whiteway was, for organising distribution in this country. The difference, however, is not likely to be very great...."
It seems to us that there is virtually no distinction between someone who engages in the scale of commercial factory production to which we have referred and a person who imports cocaine into this country.
The appeal of Roach