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You are here: BAILII >> Databases >> England and Wales Court of Appeal (Criminal Division) Decisions >> Heys, R. v [2011] EWCA Crim 2112 (09 August 2011) URL: http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Crim/2011/2112.html Cite as: [2011] EWCA Crim 2112 |
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CRIMINAL DIVISION
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B e f o r e :
MR JUSTICE BEAN
MR JUSTICE HICKINBOTTOM
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CARL JOHN HEYS | ||
KEVIN JOHN MURTAGH |
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Miss R Simpson appeared on behalf of the Appellant Murtagh
Mr K Donnelly appeared on behalf of the Crown
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"It shall be a defence for [the defendant] to prove that at the time of the alleged offence he believed that the child had attained the age of 16."
"There is one other important matter of law that I must mention at this stage. Age. This offence, by definition, relates to children. For these purposes, a child is defined as someone under 16 years of age. It follows from that, that a defendant will not be guilty of this offence if he reasonably believes that the person who he causes or induces to stay with him was 16 or over."
Then again in paragraph 22:
"It will be for you, as the jury in this case, to decide what the truth is. If you are sure, having heard and seen all of the evidence in the case, that the defendants must have appreciated that the girls were underage, then that defence (reasonable belief that they were of age) is not available to them."
"... - a defendant has in law a defence to the charge if he proves that at the time he believed that the child was 16 or over and this is the exception which I briefly mentioned earlier. So the defendant then has to prove to you to satisfy you that he did, in fact, believe that she was 16 or over but in proving it he hasn't got to reach that high standard of proof placed on the prosecution. He doesn't have to make you sure that he believed it just to make you ... just to satisfy you that on the balance of probabilities it's more likely than not on the evidence that he believed the girl was 16.
What do the defendants then say about it? Remember look at them separately but they both told the police in interview that the girls had told them they were 16 or 17. They went to college doing a hair and beauty course and this, of course, is what the girls have said both when seen by the police and in their evidence. The defendants also say well look at the circumstances as well. When we first came across them they were already staying away overnight at the house with the young man not supervised by any parents. The cigarettes. There's talk of Jack Murphy having brought drink in. Say the defendants that there's really no other factual evidence and they invite you to say that on that balance of probabilities it's more likely than not that they believed the girls were 16 or over.
Well, the Crown's case on Counts 1 and 2. The Crown acknowledges what the girls have said. They've said it; said it to the men but say the Crown you're entitled to and you should look at all the evidence including the circumstances of what took place. Here it's said you have two grown up mature men. You've seen them. Grown up mature men 29, one of them, father of a young child and a 37 year old. Here they were with these two girls 13, 14 almost 15 not just for a short time meeting them briefly but for a very significant period. They'd have a full chance to see them, talk to them, eat with them, watch television together see how they reacted both in daylight hours and during periods of the night.
There's evidence for you to consider. What did [SL] say if you ... what did [SL] do if you believe [SL's] evidence? She says well the two of them when they first met her just say side by side each other because that's what [SL] loved to do; that's the way she operates. It must says the Crown have been clear to those two men that the girls were under 16. Well you too have seen them. Remember what counsel, the defence, said Miss Simpson said. Well [PC, the other girl], big girl, big girl - her size, her looks and so on, attitude. Well you've seen them and consider the evidence."