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QUEEN'S BENCH DIVISION
ADMINISTRATIVE COURT
The Strand London WC2A 2LL |
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B e f o r e :
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(1) DARREN FULLER | ||
(2) JULIA FULLER | Appellants | |
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(1) FIRST SECRETARY OF STATE | ||
(2) SPELTHORNE BOROUGH COUNCIL | Respondents |
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Smith Bernal, 190 Fleet Street, London EC4
Telephone No: 020 7421 4040
(Official Shorthand Writers to the Court)
MR PAUL GREATOREX (instructed by the Treasury Solicitor)
appeared on behalf of THE FIRST RESPONDENT
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Crown Copyright ©
Monday 10 July 2006
MR JUSTICE COLLINS:
MR GREATOREX: My Lord, there is an application for costs. Has your Lordship seen the schedule?
MR JUSTICE COLLINS: Yes. Well now, Mr Fuller, you have seen this, have you, this application for costs?
THE FIRST APPELLANT: Yes.
MR JUSTICE COLLINS: The problem is that if you take proceedings in court and lose, the general rule is that you have to pay the costs.
THE FIRST APPELLANT: Yes.
MR JUSTICE COLLINS: And there are those who believe -- and I am one of them -- that these appeals ought to be a subject of the permission stage to see whether they are arguable because if this had been put before a judge he would have told you that, with regret, it was not arguable and you would not have had to pay anything other than the court fees. But as it is, you have the appeal as of right and you have exercised your right and you have sadly lost. Now, I do not think that I can justify not making an award of costs, but that does not mean that it will be in the full amount. Do you have any comments on the amount they are claiming?
THE FIRST APPELLANT: No.
MR JUSTICE COLLINS: You simply do not know. Let us see what it amounts to. I can assure you, sadly, that although it seems an awful lot, it is rather cheaper from the Treasury Solicitors than from private solicitors. Mr Greatorex, I am quite sure that your fees are not excessive, having regard to amounts I know are payable. What about the time spent on the documents? There was not a great deal of material here, was there?
MR GREATOREX: My Lord, with respect, there was because there were questions raised about what was and what was not before the inspectors.
MR JUSTICE COLLINS: I suppose so, yes. It is a total of about ten hours for work done on documents, which does seem rather a lot.
MR GREATOREX: My Lord, if I can assist, that obviously runs from the moment the appeal was first received --
MR JUSTICE COLLINS: I know.
MR GREATOREX: -- and the work done in relation to that and the need to assess court documents which came in, and, my Lord, documents came in in two tranches -- the original main core and then your lordship will see the documents attached -- and your Lordship will notice from the bundle that by way of some response I think it was to my skeleton that in the final tab --
MR JUSTICE COLLINS: Well, they are mainly photographs.
MR GREATOREX: They are, that is true. But all of this has to be considered --
MR JUSTICE COLLINS: I am just thinking of the time it took me to read through this. Even if I treble it -- or quadruple it -- I do not arrive at ten hours.
MR GREATOREX: My Lord, as I say, this runs from the moment the appeal was first received.
MR JUSTICE COLLINS: I know. I see the problem that if matters are raised, it is left to you to give the answers often.
MR GREATOREX: As your Lordship has said, at the end of the day when one goes through this all there really was nothing in it. But of course that was not apparent when it was first received.
MR JUSTICE COLLINS: Well ....
MR GREATOREX: The final matter, my Lord, is that the bundles were prepared by my instructing solicitors.
MR JUSTICE COLLINS: Yes, of course.
MR GREATOREX: The only thing that counterbalances that out -- your Lordship sees the hourly rate --
MR JUSTICE COLLINS: Yes, I read that.
MR GREATOREX: -- and the attendance at today's hearing, my Lord, is actually underestimated because attendance at hearing is simply down for one-and-a-half hours, with one hour travelling and waiting, and we have gone over that slightly.
MR JUSTICE COLLINS: Yes, I fully understand. Mr Fuller, anything you want to say?
THE FIRST APPELLANT: I would like to say one thing. Errors of law. What would be an error of law?
MR JUSTICE COLLINS: Well, as I told you, if the decision was perverse -- one which no reasonable person could reach -- if there had been a misunderstanding of a bit of planning law, that can happen; if the statute had not been properly applied.
THE FIRST APPELLANT: It seems to me it was perverse -- and to many other people.
MR JUSTICE COLLINS: I am afraid the standard of perversity is a high one. It has been described variously by some, but "barking mad" would be the sort of approach. It must be pretty extreme. As I say, the law says that it is a decision which no reasonable person could reach, which is a pretty high test.
THE FIRST APPELLANT: It is.
MR JUSTICE COLLINS: I appreciate you think that this is an unreasonable one, but I am afraid it does not fall into that category.
THE FIRST APPELLANT: I will point out though that we have also had permission to put Velux windows -- which is a big issue, Velux windows, because of the overlooking -- in the front of the house and we chose to take them out. So we just kept them on the back only. So how can you give permission for Velux windows that look out -- which is a big issue --
MR JUSTICE COLLINS: It depends --
THE FIRST APPELLANT: In the forms it actually says about it and in the plotland it says about the big issue about it.
MR JUSTICE COLLINS: You can say, as a matter of fact, this was a decision which was a surprising decision, and you think that it is a decision which really does not stand up on its merits. But that is not, I am afraid, sufficient to show that it is unlawful. People, you see, can have different views about things. One may be, on one view, right and another may be wrong, but it does not mean that they are so right or so wrong as to mean that any other view is one which no reasonable person could hold. That is the difficulty that one comes up against in this jurisdiction. I am bound to say, as I suspect any planning lawyer would have told you, it is to avoid challenges such as this, I am afraid, to the judgment of the inspectors that the law sets the test at a high level in this sort of situation.
THE FIRST APPELLANT: Would I be able to appeal this decision?
MR JUSTICE COLLINS: Only if you can persuade the Court of Appeal that my decision was wrong in law.
THE FIRST APPELLANT: No, I think your decision was good. I am really coming from the angle that the inspector's decision was perverse.
MR JUSTICE COLLINS: Yes, but I am afraid I have not been able to help you in that regard. You have a right to apply to the Court of Appeal but I do not think you will get anywhere and it will mean yet more costs. I am afraid it is the end of the line so far as this is concerned. That is why I raised the question of enforcement. As I say, you still have at least an arrow in your bow and you may be able to --
THE FIRST APPELLANT: It is not really for us, to be honest with you.
MR JUSTICE COLLINS: Well, I understand, but you still have a little bit of fight left.
THE FIRST APPELLANT: The only thing is that if permission several months before the last application and you get the first architect --
MR JUSTICE COLLINS: That is all material that you must put. You probably would do well to get a little bit of advice from someone who has a bit of expertise. Put this all together in a proper form -- do not go over the top with any allegations against the council because that will put their backs up -- but point out --
THE FIRST APPELLANT: We have.
MR JUSTICE COLLINS: Well, maybe you already have, but set it out clearly and focus on the points that matter. You have told me about them and I have indicated them in my judgment and you will be able to obtain a copy of that. I have expressed some sympathy for you, but you must appreciate that I have not heard from the local planning authority. That is the only hope I can give you.
So far as the costs are concerned, the amounts that they are claiming are not on the whole unreasonable. I suspect that I am letting my heart rule my head to some extent, but I am prepared to knock it down a little. I propose to make an order for costs in the sum of £2,500 altogether. How and whether that is enforced will be a matter between you and the Treasury Solicitor. The sensible think is to arrange, if you wish, to pay by instalments or something like that. I do not know quite what your position is. I am sorry that I could not help you.
THE FIRST APPELLANT: I appreciate that, my Lord.