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QUEEN'S BENCH DIVISION
Strand, London. WC2A 2LL |
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B e f o r e :
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(1) MOHAMMED ABDUL LATIF JAMEEL | ||
(2) ABDUL LATIF JAMEEL COMPANY LIMITED | Claimants | |
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WALL ST. JOURNAL EUROPE SPRL | Defendant |
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Midway House, 27/29 Cursitor Street, London. EC4A 1LT
Telephone No: 020 7405 5010. Fax No: 020 7405 5026
MR. GEOFFREY ROBERTSON, Q.C. and MISS CATRIN EVANS (instructed by Messrs. Finers Stephens Innocent) appeared on behalf of the Defendant.
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MR. JUSTICE EADY:
"(2) They support the Claimants' aggravated damages claim. It is particularly hurtful for the First Claimant that the Defendant has refused, and continues to refuse, to apologise for, or retract, these very serious allegations when, as the Claimants wish to prove, the falsity of the central allegation in the article has been conclusively shown to the Defendants from the horses' mouths. In this context it is important to bear in mind that the evidence from the Governor of SAMA, Hamad Al Sayari, authoritatively refuting the allegations is part of a nexus of denials stretching back to the evening of the date of publication of the article complained of when the First Claimant was so concerned that he spoke to Al Sayari on the telephone, and which includes the press release issued by SAMA shortly afterwards.
"The Claimants wish to invite the jury to contrast all of this evidence with the offensive response to the Claimants' solicitors' complaint sent by the Defendant's in-house lawyer on 21 February 2002 in which he effectively suggested that no-one should believe anything any Saudi official might say (see in this regard the second witness statement of Mohammed Jameel at paragraphs 6 and 9 to 10).
"(3) They rebut the Defendant's contention in paragraph 20 of the witness statement of Glenn Simpson, if that paragraph is permitted to remain, that the article was accurate - a matter on which Simpson professes himself to be convinced."
MR. PRICE: My Lord, in the light of your Lordship's judgment, I think we have dealt with everything now. It is apparent that there will have to be a Part 2 of the PTR to deal with the outstanding matters. As regards the costs of what we have been through, since, on both the matters substantively argued, we succeeded, I would ask that we have our costs in any event.
MR. JUSTICE EADY: Costs of what exactly?
MR. PRICE: Of the hearing for yesterday and ----
MR. JUSTICE EADY: Well, there was a certain amount of filtering that went on yesterday, was there not?
MR. PRICE: There was some filtering, yes.
MR. JUSTICE EADY: Before we got down to the nitty-gritty.
MR. PRICE: Yes, that is true.
MR. JUSTICE EADY: Let me hear what Mr. Robertson has to say.
MR. ROBERTSON: It is wholly inappropriate in my respectful submission. Firstly, the PTR was equal honours - or dishonours, if you like. We reached a modus vivendi on everything except for the two issues which are totally connected with the trial. The first point would otherwise have been raised in the course of the trial as to how I could address the Jury, and was essentially a trial issue. The second question of witness statements which your Lordship, for example, ... (inaudible) ... Mr. Simpson's evidence which my learned friend is objecting to. We have held that over.
So, in my respectful submission, the points that arose from the pre-trial review were so intimately connected with the trial that the question of costs should follow the result of the trial.
MR. PRICE: Well, everything is intimately connected with the trial in a way. But, the points which were raised were argued, and we succeeded.
MR. JUSTICE EADY: I think that this is one of those cases where the costs of the issues raised and debated, and to some extent shelved on the PTR, should be costs in the case.
MR. ROBERTSON: My Lord, just a couple of housekeeping points. There were three matters yesterday in which we failed to attach a date by which they should be done. 1 November occurred in other contexts, and it may be appropriate if your Lordship would indicate ---- The three matters that we have noted are, firstly, that the Claimant and Defendant try to agree the facts for the preliminary issue on standing and reputation. That is the first matter that we have got to do. Secondly, that the Claimants decide whether, and to what extent, they are going to admit facts on public interest. My learned friend indicates that ... (inaudible) ... The third is the Defendant's disclosure requests. If your Lordship would set the date of 1 November for those three matters to be achieved, if possible ----
MR. PRICE: Yes, my Lord.
MR. JUSTICE EADY: We will say 1 November for all of those matters. Would counsel kindly draw up an order embracing all those matters?
MR. ROBERTSON: There are two other matters. Firstly, the question of leave to appeal. Your Lordship gave leave to appeal on the meaning point, which your Lordship has reiterated today. It is a matter of substantial concern, particularly, as your Lordship sees, as it is the lesser of the ... (inaudible) ... meaning that is closest to what Mr. Dorsey intended. On the same basis, I would invite your Lordship to give leave to appeal on that, and on the second point of the hearsay notice where an exception to the principle in GKR Karate seems to have been achieved.
MR. PRICE: The Court of Appeal, as your Lordship knows, specifically discourage meaning appeals. That is Point 1. I cannot remember where, but the Court of Appeal has said, "We don't want them" basically.
MR. JUSTICE EADY: I think Lord Justice Hirst may have said it, possibly in Mapp.
MR. PRICE: As regards the other one, it is essentially a trial Judge decision, regarding the admissibility of evidence. Your Lordship has identified a category of evidence which simply does not fall within the principle of GKR. In my respectful submission, if the Court of Appeal want to take it, it should be left to dine à la carte (I think that is the way it is put).
MR. ROBERTSON: The Court of Appeal's discouragement was of Claimants' meaning appeals. They made an exception where it would shut out from the trial a meaning that the Defendant wished to urge(?), particularly if that was the meaning that the Defendant intended.
MR. JUSTICE EADY: On these two matters I have come to a clear conclusion, in the light of authority, and I think it is appropriate therefore to refuse permission, but, of course, the Court of Appeal may very well show more interest.
MR. ROBERTSON: There is one final matter that I raised yesterday, and we left Mr. Price to consider - that is the question of the internet. Our position is that we want to get shot of it. We want it out of the trial. The appropriate course is for Mr. Price to discontinue, because it is all, or part of, the claim, and the claim equates with cause of action. If my learned friend refuses to discontinue, then it must follow that the Court should strike out the claim. It is not appropriate ... (inaudible) ...
MR. JUSTICE EADY: The underlying, although un-mentioned, topic here is, surely, costs, is it not? It does not seem to me to matter very much whether it is struck out or discontinued, or dismissed, because Mr. Price has indicated he is not going to pursue it. So, as of yesterday, it is not a live issue in the proceedings. It may be that there will, at some point, be an application on costs. But, from what you are saying I do not understand this to be the moment.
MR. ROBERTSON: Mr. Price has to decide, and perhaps let us know, whether he is going to discontinue and suffer the consequences, or whether we are going to have to move to strike out.
MR. JUSTICE EADY: Well, he may be suffering some costs consequences anyway, but he seems to take a firm stance on the interpretation of what is discontinuance, I think. I do not know that anybody has made any submissions about the law on this, but ----
MR. ROBERTSON: Can I refer your Lordship ---- On discontinuance, it is quite clear. It is at Volume 1, page 893. "Discontinuance terminates the claim. Admissions of discontinuance are required only in certain situations. The Claimant who discontinues is liable for the Defendant's costs -----" The effect of the rule in 38.1.1. ---- The word 'claim' was used in the sense of cause of action rather than a form of relief. Part 38 is clearly to like effect. The Claimant may discontinue all, or part of, the claim, but ... (inaudible) ... The internet claim is clearly a separate cause of action, and pleaded as such. An order to be discontinued ... (inaudible) ... The wording is mandatory. So, if my learned friend does not discontinue, then we will have to apply to strike it out at Part 2.
MR. JUSTICE EADY: Mr. Price, what do you say about this? I cannot force you to discontinue, but I suppose I could, if appropriate, strike it out.
MR. PRICE: My Lord, really, I thought we had reached the stage now at which we could do things through the front door rather than try to do them through the back door, and then having another hearing at which we incur more costs and apply to strike out something which we are not proceeding with. If an application for costs was made, I will respond to it.
MR. ROBERTSON: My Lord, I make an application for costs for the internet point. If we deal with it that way, it can perhaps be blotted out of the pleadings.
MR. JUSTICE EADY: What do you say, Mr. Price? It seems to me to be right on the face of it that the costs of, and incidental to, the internet claim up to and including yesterday - and I will hear submissions on today in a moment - should be the Defendant's.
MR. PRICE: Can I just say a word about that? I need not take your Lordship back to what the Master ordered, but we had a long argument before the Master. I was not there, but I am told there was a long argument before the Master about whether they should be ordered to give disclosure of how many hits there were on this website. ... (inaudible) ... claim is hopeless, and us saying the claim was not hopeless; we just want to know whether it is worth proceeding with. The Master said, "Well, why don't you write to WSJ.com and find out?" As usual, what has happened is that there has been nominal compliance with the order, but thereafter a total refusal to give us any information at all, including whether they have had a reply from WSJ.com. In those circumstances we have decided not to bother further with this particular head.
Now, in those circumstances your Lordship might think that the obstructiveness is on the other side's behalf, and not ours, and ... (inaudible) ... to relieve these as costs in the cause.
MR. ROBERTSON: ... (inaudible) ... with respect, is disingenuous. We have told the Claimants from Day One that we did not own the website, and the only basis -- and there is a witness statement, I am reminded, at Tab 12 of Mr. David Pettit that has been produced to explain precisely this matter ---- It is not within the Defendant's purview. It should never have been raised. I think my learned friend now concedes that. The only basis upon which someone else's internet site in another country could be held against the Defendant was on this extraordinary causality argument - that because in the Defendant's paper there appeared an advertisement for the website where, the argument was, the Defendant caused the publication of everything ... (inaudible) ... that were on that website. In fact, my Lord, if that had ever got to first base, there is no doubt that it would have been rejected because there is no authority for it, and there would be ... (inaudible) ... imposition of liability. On that basis, because there has been some - not a great deal, but some - argument in the course of the last year connected to the internet point, we apply to costs.
MR. JUSTICE EADY: Did you want to add anything, Mr. Price?
MR. PRICE: No.
MR. JUSTICE EADY: Yesterday, Mr. Price indicated that his clients were not proceeding with the internet claim in these proceedings. He gave certain reasons for it, but I need not go into those at the moment. The fact is that it is not being pursued. Therefore, Mr. Robertson submits that if not discontinued, then the claim should be struck out for the sake of clarity from the pleadings, and the costs should follow the event. Mr. Price has argued that there was a degree of obstruction on the Defendant's part in not fully complying with an order made by the Master.
It seems to me that if that argument is to be pursued, the proper way of doing it is to raise it with a view to continuing the claim. But, since the claim has been abandoned, it seems to me right that the Defendants should have their costs of, and incidental to, the part of the claim relating to the internet in any event. For the sake of good order, those allegations should be removed from the pleaded case.
Thank you very much.