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APPEAL COURT, HIGH COURT OF JUSTICIARY |
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Lord Coulsfield Lord Hamilton Lord McCluskey
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Appeal Nos: C414/00 C403/00 C384/00 C413/00 C433/00 OPINION OF THE COURT delivered by LORD COULSFIELD in NOTES OF APPEAL AGAINST CONVICTION by (1) LEON BARRIE; (2) STEPHEN McKINNON; (3) ROSS McKAY; (4) ALLAN NORWOOD; and NOTE OF APPEAL AGAINST CONVICTION AND SENTENCE by (5) JOHN JACKSON Appellants; against HER MAJESTY'S ADVOCATE Respondent: _______ |
Appellants: Boag Thomson, McLaughlin; G Sweeney & Co: McBride, QC, Gilbride;
Callon & Co: Jackson, QC, Livingston; McCusker McElroy; Thomson, QC, Hood;
McMahon & Co
Respondent: Ritchie, A.D.; Crown Agent
15 May 2002
The case of Leon Barrie
"Now what self-defence means is fairly straightforward. Our law has always said that you are allowed to use a reasonable amount of force to defend yourself, or another, against a violent attack. However, there are conditions attached to the defence - saying it is self-defence does not make it so - and these conditions must all apply if a defence of self-defence is to be successful."
The case of Alan Norwood
"Suspect: Am I allowed to talk with my lawyer here the now?
DC(1): Mm, did you ask for a lawyer to be advised?
Suspect: Aye.
DC(1): When you were at the bar there? Right, your lawyer will be informed and if indeed your lawyer decides to come and make representation -
Suspect: Mm hm.
DC(1): Advice will be taken as to whether or not your lawyer will be allowed access to you.
Suspect: Right.
DC(1): If your lawyer appears I don't see any reason why he wouldn't be allowed access.
Suspect: Right.
DC(1): All right, but it's important that we get this sorted out just now, particularly in the light of what you've been telling us earlier on."
The interview then proceeded . In the course of it Norwood made statements which were capable of being incriminating. We were informed that the evidence of the interviewing officer was to the effect that in the earlier conversation Norwood had begun to talk about the supply of weapons and that this had led to him becoming a suspect. However, there was no attempt at the trial to have the question of admissibility determined at a trial within a trial.
The general question of concert and mens rea
"You have to be satisfied from the evidence you have heard, in respect of each accused, whether they were part of that criminal purpose, that they knew knives were being carried and were liable to be used in the course of the purpose that I have described, in the way that I have described, and that all the violence that took place outside the Rankins' house, against each of the occupants, was a single consequence or development of that criminal purpose. If you are satisfied on all of these matters you can find the accused or any of them guilty of murder on charge 1 on the basis of concert and it does not matter as I say who struck the fatal blow or who or what each accused did so long as you were satisfied that they were involved in that way."
"and this again Ladies and Gentlemen is where it is important to consider the law of concert - the same conclusion can be reached - that murder might... may have been committed by any member or members of the group who may not themselves have had a knife but who knew knives were liable to be carried and were liable to be used in the way which I have described in the course of carrying out the common criminal purpose."
He then defined culpable homicide and later said:
"Well what it means in practical terms in this case is this: if you think that any of the accused went to the Rankins' house knowing that knives were carried and were liable to be used, either with murderous intent or with such wicked recklessness that showed no regard for the outcome that, as I have indicated would constitute murder. However if you thought that either the use of the knife or knives in the course of any assault did not have the qualities of a murderous intent, or wicked recklessness that I have described, you found that not to be proved or that the question of murderous intent or wicked recklessness was absent in the case of any of the accused, simply because they were unaware that knives were being carried and were liable to be used, but that at the same time the accused has involved himself in a struggle with the deceased in a way that in a real and substantial sense contributes to the death of that deceased, that is where you can find that the accused is liable for culpable homicide. Now that is a very technical situation and, as I say, you may find that it has no relevance to the present case but, I have to describe it to you and, if it does, as I say, reflect something which you believe to be in the evidence then you can consider it."
"It is difficult to pin down the modern law. The most recent case decision (Brown, supra) relevant to brawls (although hardly on its facts involving a classic brawl situation) seems to favour an approach ultimately dependent on individual mens rea. It makes use of the idea of foresight. It does not lay any particular stress on the presence or absence of weapons; but at the same time, the decision was reached without considering Hume, and without consideration of the earlier twentieth century cases which had specifically addressed the issue of homicide in the course of a brawl."
+ould be referred to a larger court.