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You are here: BAILII >> Databases >> United Kingdom Employment Appeal Tribunal >> Elkouil v. Coney Island Ltd [2001] UKEAT 0520_00_3010 (30 October 2001) URL: http://www.bailii.org/uk/cases/UKEAT/2001/0520_00_3010.html Cite as: [2002] Emp LR 267, [2001] UKEAT 0520_00_3010, [2002] IRLR 174, [2001] UKEAT 520__3010 |
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At the Tribunal | |
Before
HIS HONOUR JUDGE J R REID QC
MR P R A JACQUES CBE
MR J C SHRIGLEY
APPELLANT | |
RESPONDENT |
Transcript of Proceedings
JUDGMENT
Revised
For the Appellant | MR ADAM OHRINGER Tribunal Representative Free Representation Unit Fourth Floor Peer House 8-14 Verulam Street LONDON WC1K 8LZ |
For the Respondent | MR C S WATT Solicitor Instructed by Messrs Stewart Watt & Co Solicitors 171-173 Dalry Road Edinburgh EH11 2EB |
JUDGE REID QC
"Regarding the lack of consultation, we consider that even if proper consultation had taken place, on the basis of the facts as we have found them, the applicant would have been made redundant in any event. We think that had consultation taken place he would have been employed for a further two weeks and award him two weeks wages as a compensatory award which amounts to £458."
"In such a case where the industrial tribunal finds dismissal was unfair it will be necessary for them to proceed to assess compensation, and for that purpose to make some estimate of what would have been the likely outcome had that been done which ought to have been done. It is often a difficult question but one which the industrial tribunal in their capacity as an industrial jury are well suited to answer, and in respect of which they will not go wrong if they remember that what they are trying to do is to assess the loss suffered by the claimant, and not to punish the employer for his failure in industrial relations."
"We think that the probability is that would have taken in the order of 14 days before Mr Stalker would have made up his mind. After all, as the Industrial Tribunal found, there is no real reason for urgency shown in the case. So in our judgment, by reason of the absence of consultation Mr Abbotts finished two weeks' take-home pay worse off and is entitled to compensation to that amount."
And then commenting on that Wood J said:
"It is clear from the reading of that case of the Employment Appeal Tribunal found that a period of 2 weeks was reasonable for consultation and that that period in view of the immediate dismissal started from the date of that dismissal and that 2 weeks compensation was therefore due."
He went on to note that one of the lay members in that division of that Court was also a member of his Court. After looking at all the circumstances of this case including the small numbers involved, he recorded that the two lay members of the Court took the view that 2 weeks, the same period as in the Abbotts case and in a very similar circumstances, was a reasonable period for personal consultation with Mr Baker and the six weeks awarded by the Tribunal was wholly excessive.
"But if the likely affect of taking appropriate procedural steps is only considered, as it should be, at the stage of assessing compensation, the position is quite different. In that situation, as Browne-Wilkinson J puts in Sillifant's case at p 96:
"There is no need for an 'all or nothing' decision. If the industrial tribunal thinks there is a doubt whether or not the employee would have been dismissed, this element can be affected by reducing the normal amount of compensation by a percentage representing the chance of the employee still but have lost his employment."
The second consideration is perhaps of particular importance in redundancy cases. An industrial tribunal may conclude, as in the instant case, that the appropriate procedural steps but would not have avoided the employee's dismissal as redundant. But if, as your Lordships now hold, that conclusion was not defeat his claim of unfair dismissal, the industrial tribunal, apart from any question of compensation, will also have to consider whether to make any order under section 69 of the Act 1978."
He then goes on to deal with the possibility of the re-engagement
"Two lay members of this Appeal Tribunal hold the view that it would be impossible to lay down detailed procedures which all reasonable employers would follow in all circumstances. The fair conduct of dismissal for redundancy must depend on the circumstances of each case but in their experience there is a generally accepted view in Industrial Relations but in cases where the employees are represented by an independent union recognised by the employer reasonable employers will seek to act in accordance with the following principals:
(1) the employer will seek to give as much warning as possible of the impending redundancies so as to enable union and employees to make the effort to take early steps to inform themselves the relevant facts, consider possible alternative solutions and if necessary final terms of employment in the undertaking or elsewhere
(2) the employer will consult the union as the best means by which the desired management result can be achieved fairly with as little hardship to the employees as possible. In particular the employer will seek to agree with the union the criteria to be applied in selecting the employees to be made redundant. When a selection has been made the employer will consider with the union whether the selection has been made in accordance with those criteria then carries on with other matters."