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You are here: BAILII >> Databases >> United Kingdom Employment Appeal Tribunal >> Wright v. Daimler Chrysler Rail Systems (UK) Ltd (t/a Adtranz) [2002] UKEAT 0463_01_1503 (15 March 2002) URL: http://www.bailii.org/uk/cases/UKEAT/2002/0463_01_1503.html Cite as: [2002] UKEAT 0463_01_1503, [2002] UKEAT 463_1_1503 |
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At the Tribunal | |
Before
THE HONOURABLE MR JUSTICE LINDSAY (PRESIDENT)
MR A E R MANNERS
MR N D WILLIS
APPELLANT | |
RESPONDENT |
Transcript of Proceedings
JUDGMENT
PRELIMINARY HEARING
For the Appellant | MR CHARLES CROW (Of Counsel) Instructed by: Messrs Flint Bishop & Barnett Solicitors Royal Oak House Market Place Derby DE1 2EA |
MR JUSTICE LINDSAY (PRESIDENT)
"On 26 January 2000 the Applicant was written to and informed that she would be offered the position of Media and Events Co-ordinator within the Sales and Marketing Department on a temporary basis until June 2000. This gave the Applicant the opportunity to remain within the Company to apply for any internal vacancies that arose during this period. It was however apparent that Claire would not be able to take over the full scope of the role. However there were parts of the role that the Applicant was able to do and there was an immediate requirement for this work to be done.
The Applicant was informed that if she were unsuccessful securing alternative employment within the Company during this period then the normal redundancy arrangements would apply. The Applicant accepted this temporary position on 28 January 2000."
And then they said in their last paragraph:
"The reorganisation of the IT Department and subsequent selection for employment did not take into consideration absence of employees. The Applicant's absence record therefore was not a relevant factor in determining her selection for redundancy or her suitability for alternative positions within the Company. The Applicant's redundancy was from the position of IT Specialist not from that of Media & Events Co-ordinator. Her employment as Media & Events Co-ordinator was an agreed extension to her notice period to allow her to seek alternative employment. The Respondent contends that the applicant was fairly dismissed for redundancy and was not subject to any detriment on grounds of her sex."
"That fundamentally, I didn't get a fair trial as I had to defend myself on the days as my Solicitor backed out the day before. I wasn't given the chance of a stay of execution as requested due to my ill health. As made aware to the Tribunal, I have on-going health problems due to the way I was treated at Adtranz & by my violent ex-husband. I am being treated medically for severe depression, anxiety & panic attacks, thus not being in a fit state at the trial."
She amplifies that but that is the way she puts it by way of summary. That, as I say, was received on the 26 March 2001.
"I was then called by David Clark (that was the solicitor who she had thought was going to appear for her) to attend a third meeting at his offices at 10.00 am on 31 January 2001, the day before the Tribunal was to commence. That meeting only lasted some 20 minutes.
Mr Clark was clearly not comfortable. He asked me to sit down and stuttered and stammered his way through as he said, as closely as I can recall, "I am not going to represent you tomorrow". He had given me absolutely no indication at any time previously that he did not want to represent me. Until he made that announcement I had thought that the reason for my coming to that meeting was to discuss what was actually going to happen at the Tribunal."
And then at paragraph 17 she says:
"Not only did David Clark tell me that he was not going to represent me but he actively tried to put me off pursuing my application by saying that ADTRANZ was a big company and that I may as well drop my application. He did not go into detail but basically he said that I was not going to get anywhere and why did I bother.
My reaction was to say was that I had come that far and I had nothing to lose and so I was going to go anyway. I asked him if I could have the file of papers as I wanted to close the meeting as I thought that something strange was going on."
"He also mentioned various other points. He told me there was no way that in my state of mental health that I could represent myself at the Tribunal the following day and there was no way because of the time involved that either he or another Solicitor would be able to represent me. He explained that I should attend the Tribunal and should ask for a stay of execution which was something that I was legally entitled to do."
Pausing there, it seems unlikely that he said "stay of execution". He might have said "should ask for an adjournment". She continues in her paragraph 25:
"I accepted Mr Reynold's advice and attended the Tribunal. I had no previous Court experience."
"When I had looked in the bundle on receiving the file back from David Clark I had seen that several of the documents which I thought were relevant and should have been included were not. In particular there were two documents, an e-mail dated 5 November 1998 which suggested that my employers wished to terminate my employment lawfully albeit for an unlawful reason, an organisational chart from which the Tribunal would have been able to conclude that I did possess skills which my employer had claimed that I did not have."
"Mr Johnson (and he was conducting the case for ADTRANZ) had 5 witnesses from my employers together with another lady I did not know. I was asked to speak and following Mr Sean Reynolds advice asked for a stay of execution (and again it seems unlikely that was what she asked for) giving the reasons as advised by him. I outlined that my legal representative had withdrawn the day previously and the Chairman did not give any indication that he was aware of that. He did not comment on it."
In her paragraph 31 she says:
"I told the Chairman that I had mental health problems and gave the background of my problems including my violent husband. I explained that having been made redundant I was struggling to cope and as a result I was on medication, anti-depressants and tranquillisers and also medication for an irritable bowel which was all part and parcel of the same problem."
In her paragraph 33 she says:
"I explained that I had been advised that I should request a stay of execution. The Chairman's response was to say to me "we are all here now, we may as well get on with it". I had to accept what the Chairman said simply because he was the Chairman and I had no experience of such matters."
And then in paragraph 35 she says:
"The hearing lasted the full 2 days throughout which I acted entirely on my own behalf without any legal representation."
In paragraph 36 she turns to the e-mail that she had earlier mentioned; she says:
"I did mention during the hearing the e-mail which I considered to be an incriminating document and also made reference to the organisational chart which showed that I would have been a suitable for two alternative jobs on offer one of which was a side move and one of which was a move to a lower grade post. The documents however were not available to the Court and therefore could not be produced."
"This is to confirm that the above patient has been suffering from depression since January 1999. I have been her GP since November 2000 and she has been off work with depression since then. She was off work from April 2000 (previous GP)
Her current medication is:
AMITRIPTYLINE 50mg one tablet a day
FLUOXEYTINE 20 mg one tablet twice a day
She was on this medication in January + February (when, I believe, she was due to attend a tribunal).
I saw her, amongst other dates, on 18.1.01 and 7.2.01 when she felt depressed."
And he ends up saying she is currently still not well enough to work.
"The only way to recruit a replacement is for her employment to be terminated. Do you have a suggestion as to how this could be done within the constraints of employment law? We are in serious danger of embroiling ourselves in an unpleasant unfair dismissal case on this one if we are not careful and I for one would not like to defend the company in a tribunal against a pregnant woman!!"
"The applicant appears to think that the only reason we refused her application for an adjournment was because we had considered that, as all the parties were present, we might as well get on with it. Nothing could be further from the truth."
"The Tribunal spent some time considering the extent to which Mrs Wright's case had been prepared and noted the involvement of her solicitor in this.
The Chairman explained in some detail to Mrs Wright the Tribunal procedure.
I clearly recall that the Chairman specifically asked Mrs Wright if she was content to proceed and she replied that she was although I note that this is not recorded in Mr Price's letter to the EAT. However, my recollection is confirmed by Joanne Gaunton (Human Resources Manager), Clem Jackson (Personnel Manager), and Kathryn Lancaster (Communications Manager), employees of the company, all of them were in attendance at the hearing.
I do not now recall the exact words but Mrs Wright also commented to the effect that she was prepared to speak for herself as she considered herself to be a confident and articulate person, which indeed she was.
In addition to explaining in some detail to Mrs Wright the tribunal procedure, I recall that Mrs Wright was told that if she felt unable to proceed at any stage that she should inform the Tribunal.
The Tribunal called an adjournment to allow Mrs Wright to prepare her case"
Then a little later he says:
"In summary, I would say that the tribunal considered in some detail the points Mrs Wright and I raised. They conferred amongst themselves and, having carefully considered the extent to which her case had been prepared prior to the hearing, reached a reasonable decision to continue. Furthermore, Mrs Wright expressly consented to this decision."
And then he comments on the e-mail:
"Mrs Wright implies that this document was not considered by the tribunal. This is not the case. This e-mail was in the Bundle at the Hearing at page 47b as Mr Price notes in his letter. It was referred to by the Applicant and considered by the Tribunal during the Hearing. The organisational chart referred to by the Applicant in her Affidavit was not considered at the Hearing. However, alternative positions that may have been suitable for the Applicant were considered in some detail and a considerable amount of evidence was given by the Respondent's witnesses with regard to this matter. There was also extensive cross-examination by the Applicant and detailed questions from the Tribunal Members."
"In reaching our decision we took into account the fact that the Applicant had recently been let down by her solicitor. She had suffered problems with her health and had experienced difficulties with her husband. We fully understood her apprehensions in having to present her case to the Tribunal."
"The e-mail she refers to in paragraph 36 is I believe the one dated 5 November 1998. It was produced to us in Tribunal. We read it, took it into account and referred to it in paragraph 3(1) of our decision. In particular we noted that it had been sent at a time when she had had long absences from work. By the time of the termination of the Y2K project and the redundancies which followed a lot had happened. We had to weigh the relevance of this e-mail against the later events."
"As to the organisational chart mentioned by the Applicant the only comment I can make is that we spent a considerable amount of time considering what job might have been available and suitable for the Applicant. I hope this is evident from our extended reasons."
"Our decision not to adjourn was not final if we had thought that during the course of the hearing the Applicant was not sufficiently prepared to be able to continue or if we had thought she was not up to the task we would have reconsidered the position. As it was the Applicant put her case over well when reading her statement. Her note of evidence records that she added to her written statement by, amongst other things, commenting on the witness statement of Joanne Gaunton who was to give evidence for the Respondent. This supported our original decision to proceed. The additional comments of the Applicant not only showed that she was on top of her own case but that she was fully aware of the evidence which was to be given on behalf of the Respondent. Her comments also show a degree of confidence in presenting her own case. "
The Chairman says:
"We felt she was well able to put across all the points she wished to make."